ELR guys like to shoot, so poor barrel life is a significant problem. A 24-1/2 inch barrel was used for the .338 Lapua and a 28 inch barrel (!) Muzzle velocities are the nominal industry standard for the tested bullet weight in each caliber. Anyone have a similar gun already in 33 Nosler? 0000003269 00000 n For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. and this pattern of incremental velocity increases continues with each cartridge in the sequence. Thats approaching the coefficient of legendary .338 Lapua bullets, and its worth noting that the .300 PRC was in part conceived as a potential replacement for extreme-range sniper work; one that offers much friendlier recoil and muzzle blast. AccuBond (.550 BC/.281 SD) at 3025 fps. Question: Would you say the results of the best .338 magnums of your tests/comparison would be the same if reloads were considered? Their most noted included the .333 O.K.H. Due to its efficient case design, including a shorter powder column and 35-degree shoulder, and careful selection of powders to optimize velocities, it burns around 18 percent less powder than the .338 Lapua Magnum while achieving similar velocities. For shots well beyond 500 yards, consider the Nosler AccuBond LR, Swift Scirocco, Berger, Hornady ELD-X, Hornady SST, or Sierra Game King. Long Range Hunting & Shooting 330 dakota 22250imp Aug 22, 2019 Help Support Long Range Hunting Forum Become a supporting member 2 22250imp Well-Known Member Joined Sep 26, 2012 Messages 194 Location Eastern Colorado Aug 22, 2019 #1 Picked up a newbie here a while back chambered in 330 Dakota. Comparatively, the numbers for the other cartridges are 38.3 f.p.s. KK/@H!4 LJ(( It is, and the ready availability of a vast spectrum of various loads and rifles makes gives it outstanding versatility. 0000087208 00000 n We show you how. 0000008150 00000 n Mag. 225 gr. 250 gr. The bore was then cleaned after every three shots for the next 15 shots. are: These results are for the Hornady 185-grain GMX, 200 and 225 grain SST and 250 grain InterLock SP bullets. But do you know how to properly use them? .33 Winchester - Roberson Cartridge Company Home / Center Fire / .33 Caliber / .33 Winchester We have had to discontinue new orders until further notice. The .338 caliber magnums provide all the power most hunters could ever wantor need, but bullet selection is vital to realize their full potential. 0000013394 00000 n Ballistically, the price of getting the performance gains summarized above is that the energy (i.e. Thinking of a 33 Nosler, Proof carbon sendaro barrel w/brake and HS precision stock. All rights reserved. 0000079441 00000 n His third shot struck in the vitals, and within a few feet the moose stumbled and went down for good. of MV per grain of powder burned. These rounds do have one mission they are ideal for, though: Alaskan brown bears. And although its got a nice long neck that benefits concentricity, its got a short head height, making it less-compatible with ultra-modern long-range projectiles. The .33 Nosler embodies current case design concepts thought to promote efficiency and accuracy. Sign up with your email address to receive news and updates. Mag. 0000042164 00000 n Walther's new Performance Duty Pistol is ready for both concealed carry and conventional service situations. Before you all jump all over this with too much gun and bullet etc and suggestions, all I am asking is about the performance of this bullet. For example, subtract 120 fps from the Hornady .338-378 velocity figures if the cartridge were fired from a rifle with a 24 inch barrel. AccuBond (.720 BC/.375 SD) at 2650 fps. 0000057417 00000 n Nosler's factory ammunition is offered with the 225-grain AccuBond, the 265-grain AccuBond Long . Although I love it, in pure technical terms Im forced to admit the .300 Win. For these same reasons, the .33 Nosler has had the shoulder datum moved back (or is shorter) than the .30 Nosler. The trajectory of the 250 grain A-Frame bullet at a MV of 2900 fps should look like this: +2.6" at 100 yards, +2.9" at 150 yards, +2.0" at 200 yards, -0.4" at 250 yards, and -4.3" at 300 yards. 0000007711 00000 n Some of these have been very successful commercially with hunters and match shooters and with various militaries, but for several reasons others have struggled. Mag. 0000006503 00000 n BC quantifies a bullets aerodynamic efficiency, and SD predicts relative ability to penetrate into a game animal; the larger each number, the better. The Mossberg 500 Pump Action Shotgun is one of the most popular home defense shotguns on the market. One point for every 25 yards beyond 200 yards for minimum expansion velocity range, one point deducted for every 25 yards less. Combining 7mm Remington Magnum trajectories with 375 H&H impact energies, the 330 Dakota is more than capable for any big game hunting task on the North American continent and many on the plains of Africa. This was done primarily to correspond with the bullet ogive profile, obtain proper neck length and keep the overall cartridge length within 3.340 inches. Brilliant writing. Make sure to watch till the end. The 250 grain bullet has a rather optimistic advertised muzzle velocity (MV) of 2900 fps and muzzle energy (ME) of 4668 ft. lbs. AccuBond at 2600 fps. Read more LRH Supporter. (.338 Lapua) and 29.4 f.p.s. All Shooting Times subscribers now have digital access to their magazine content. Federal has created a safer, easier and more reliable way to shoot a muzzleloader. based on the .30-06 case necked to accept .333-caliber Jeffery bullets weighing up to 300 grains. However, its a bit too much of a good thing. Designed specifically for ELR (extra long range) use, the .300 PRC is optimized for shooting way, way out there. .330 Dakota factory loads are currently offered with 230 grain CT Fail Safe and 250 grain Swift A-Frame bullets. 0000039110 00000 n 0000014541 00000 n Although it became popular for woods and timber hunting, it was not a long-range powerhouse for large game, as it shared a trajectory similar to the .30-30 Winchester. Franchi Momentum Elite Bolt-Action Rifle in Varmint Configurations, Ruger MAX-9 9mm Micro-Sized High-Capacity Pistol: Review, .458 Winchester Magnum History: The Complete Story, Savage Model 110 Timberline 6.5 Creedmoor Rifle: Full Review, A World Record Attempt: Practice Round and Media Day. Products Explore Load Data Dealer Locator Sign In 0 Home 330 Dakota Load Data - (Archived) 330 Dakota Load Data 180 Grain 200 - 210 Grain 225 Grain 250 Grain PRIVACY USE ORDER PROCESSING SERVICE & RETURNS Copyright 2023 NOSLER INC. Dividing the numbers just listed for each other cartridge into that for the .338 Win. 0000055337 00000 n It scored just behind the .340 Weatherby and has the least recoil among the cartridges tested. 0000085453 00000 n Like other Nosler cartridges, the case is based loosely on the beltless .404 Jeffery case, which offers magnum capacity and performance. Specialized long-range bullets were not used as they are unnecessary for most hunting situations. This beast provides more initial velocity than any of the previous cartridges discussed, and has proven to be an outstanding elk cartridge. 0000051148 00000 n The 33 Nosler is capable of propelling a 225gr AccuBond at 3025 fps and the brand new 265gr AccuBond Long Range at 2775 fps. The 33 shares the same parent case (404 Jeffery) as the rest of the family but fires .338 caliber bullets for the toughest of big game. Its biggest disadvantage is a quite short 0.72-inch head height, which is the distance between the front of the case mouth and the cartridges SAAMI maximum overall length. (.338-378). Detailed performance figures are summarized in the table at the articles end. (Most factory ammo for the .338 WM sells for $2 to $3 per round, with a wide choice of brands and bullet weights available.). l; 0hn%A (adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); .330 Dakota-Dakota Fail-Safe, .330 Dakota-Dakota Nosler Ballistic Tip, .330 Dakota-Dakota Swift A-Frame, .330 Dakota-Dakota Nosler Partition, .330 Dakota-Dakota Swift A-Frame, .330 Dakota-Dakota Nosler Partition. You can read more about the deep details of the cartridge, its concept and design, and its performance in the March issue of Shooting Times magazine. If a person cannot tolerate a particular cartridges un-braked recoil, they need a different cartridge which they can manage without subterfuge. 0000011787 00000 n This combination is the goal Winchesters designers had in mind when they introduced the first production .338 magnum in 1958. ), .330 Dakota and others. Lets start with the most common of them all: the .300 Winchester Magnum. HW7WFHF@]p3qA0AE")u 9J+VJ1g="U3g$dvm)UZu_2-sT~M]G4XLT. Just dont expect those slugs to hold up if they hit a bull elks shoulder at fifty yards. Here is the last set of bullet points, I promise. A .375 Ruger necked down to .30 caliber, and specd with a very long throat so long, sleek bullets dont have to be seated with their bases deeply protruding into powder capacity, the .300 PRC requires a long, true-magnum-length magazine box of 3.70 inches. 0000086619 00000 n Across the bullet weights used, here are the average recoil values for each cartridge in 9.5 pound rifles: Then, there is the monetary cost of buying and shooting any of these rifles. It too requires a magnum-length action. 0000013079 00000 n It appears that .340 Weatherby and .338 Lapua factory cartridges start at about $4.50 each, while .338-378 Weatherby ammo runs about $7 per cartridge and .330 Dakota cartridges cost about $10 each. 0000045131 00000 n .330 Dakota (Barnes Reloading Manual #3) 204. Its a necked-down .338 Lapua, and although it blasts those bullets out with wicked speed, the cavernous capacity of that gargantuan case is too much of a good thing. The following data was developed in a Dakota 76 rifle straight from the factory. If, however, true long-range hunting is anticipated, they will all benefit from the specialized long-range bullets now on the market which expand well below 1800 fps. 0000004677 00000 n Hj$7)t9sJgA0DYadca@^?Ij4=K0JU{%>IEIxd(ItyEXpP(gEpx>~?S^~ vxYXb jf?k$vC 0000006742 00000 n 0000003310 00000 n The bolt body is generously vented to arrest and direct gases away from the shooter in the unlikely event of a ruptured case, while the bolt sleeve cap offers additional protection. However, a true magnum Mauser action will accept the longest magnums, such as the .416 Rigby which is 3.75 inches long. For long range . of energy, the 30 Nosler outperforms such touted rounds as the 300 Weatherby and the 300 Win Mag. ), 2656 ft. lbs. The classic-style, synthetic stock (a proprietary blend of Kevlar and other lightweight synthetic materials) features aluminum pillars and is Marine Tex bedded. Despite their Thors Hammer performance, .338 magnums are not as popular as their .30 caliber cousins for one big reason: recoil. Hu=E'dnH2>DZLFo nC~Bx,R@Z5. The trend has been that the more potent versions are those gaining in popularity. Often three shots would cluster in a single ragged hole that was easily under .5 inch, but twice the fourth round opened the group to around .75 inch, which was shooter error. The guide thanked me for doing the spotting, then stated, And that is why we use .338s in Alaska. With the best magnum performance in a standard action, the 30 Nosler was introduced as a more evolved cartridge option. It hits the shooter the least, has proven itself in both Alaska and Africa for decades, and ammunition is available most places. To be fair, the .300 WSM does offer one advantage over the new PRC kid on the block: If you want a very short, light .30-caliber magnum rifle, this is your best bet. All calculations were based on the heaviest Nosler AccuBond bullet available in factory-loaded ammunition for each caliber, unless otherwise noted. makmj38c$q0jh !~F? Other notable features include a two-position safety, hinged floorplate, one-piece firing pin and an adjustable Rifle Basix trigger. The Model 48 Patriot is designed specifically for big-game hunters, with its classic-style stock with cheekpiece. The .330 Dakota is in the proprietary cartridge class and was designed by Don Allen. The Nosler case, however, is strengthened, and like other Nosler cartridges, it is designed with an overall length that allows it to function in standard .30-06 length actions. for the .338-378 Weatherby with a 225 grain bullet. The author acknowledges hand loaders can achieve much better performance in many instances. Mag. It appears that a no-frills Remington Model 700 rifle can be purchased in this caliber for $800 to $1000 in 2015, the same price as a good quality .338 Win. I don't think I have ever seen a .338 without a muzzle brake. 0000001656 00000 n shoots flat, hits hard, and fits in standard length actions. Joined Jan 17, 2021 Messages 1,667 Location North Carolina. Nosler has just introduced a new SAAMI-spec .338-caliber cartridge, the 33 Nosler, which is based on the 404 Jeffrey parent case. Copyright 2015 by Gary Zinn and/or chuckhawks.com. Radial vs. Directional Muzzle Brakes: Which Is Best? 33 Nosler 3 Products 33 Winchester 2 Products 33 XC 3 Products 340 Gibbs 1 Products . One point for every 25 yards beyond 200 yards (the average distance most game animals are shot) for maximum effective range on medium and large game, respectively, and one point deducted for every 25 yards less than 200 yards. faster than will the .338 Win. You are using an out of date browser. The CDS (Custom Dial System) can be custom tailored at no cost to correspond with the precise ballistics of a given load to compensate for bullet drop. rounds. The .33 Nosler is already SAAMI approved and has a maximum average pressure of 65,000 psi. 0000002395 00000 n 250 gr. The barrel was broken in by firing one round, then completely cleaning the barrel after each shot for the first 10 shots. Hey guys, new to this forum. 0000048643 00000 n The main factor is to know the maximum and minimum anticipated impact velocities and the intended game, then select a bullet that is reliable under those conditions. By the time the guide sat down and got into position with his rather rusty and heavily worn Ruger M77RS .338 Winchester Magnum rifle, the 1,700-pound bull had crossed the river and was beyond 500 yards, with its long legs rapidly increasing that distance. Red Oak, White, or Chestnut for Deer Herd? Water capacity (filled level with the case mouth) is 94.6 grains, while the case weight is 281.8 grains with a primer installed. Never used the TSX but shot a MULE buck years ago with my 338 WM and very little meatdamage. and .338-378 Wby. Using preproduction ammunition, muzzle velocity averaged 3,099 fps from the 26-inch barrel of the Nosler Model 48 Patriot rifle. Mikey Hartman, Lt. Col. As a general rule, more than 15 ft-lbsf is considered enough recoil to affect most shooters accuracy. What we need to know without fluff mucking up the targets. Both loads shoot sub-minute of angle. 0000048616 00000 n 0000054576 00000 n Its too much cartridge to fit inside most standard-size magnum bolt guns, and even if shoehorned in, you can only squeeze a couple of cartridges into the magazine. 0000010308 00000 n 0000041730 00000 n The 250 grain bullet has a rather optimistic advertised muzzle velocity (MV) of 2900 fps and muzzle energy (ME) of 4668 ft. lbs. Keith wanted something which would hammer through a quartering-away elk (his favorite game) out to 300 or 400 yards and realized a .338 caliber bullet driven fast enough would get the job done. The eyepiece is fast focus, a feature I am especially fond of. $60.99. The .33 Nosler, the largest of the group, gives hunters significantly-increased velocities over the .338 Win. The Arena Media Brands, LLC and respective content providers to this website may receive compensation for some links to products and services on this website. 0000084941 00000 n If you, the hunter, need or want it, look no further than the .338 caliber magnums. The Weatherby Mark V is the only production rifle which chambers the .338-378 Weatherby Magnum. 0000004377 00000 n 0000004014 00000 n I would be interested in a 33 Nosler. See Compared: .338 Winchester Magnum, .338-06 A-Square and .338 Ruger Compact Magnum for a look at the .338 Win. The Model 48 Patriot rifle used to evaluate the new .33 Nosler cartridge features twin locking lugs, a smooth 90-degree bolt lift, fluted bolt body and swept bolt handle for easy cycling. Their superior sectional densities combined with high velocity and bullet weight anchor these killer bears like few other cartridges. If just just poke a hole through or open up and do their job. Nosler cartridges include (left to right): .26, .28, .30 and .33. are: Clearly, the .338 super magnums perform better than the .338 Win. 250 gr. trailer <]/Prev 287670>> startxref 0 %%EOF 136 0 obj <>stream The trajectory of that load looks like this: +2.6" at 100 yards, +2.9" at 150 yards, +1.9" at 200 yards, -0.5" at 250 yards, and -4.6" at 300 yards. Give a Gift 0000086474 00000 n 0000039925 00000 n It shoots 180 to 250 grain bullets far, hard and relatively efficiently; it does so without obscene levels of recoil, muzzle blast and expense. Thats 275 fps faster than the 338 Win Mag using the same length action and 25 fps faster than the 338 Lapua at the muzzle while burning 18% less powder. 0000003981 00000 n Mar 13, 2021 #2 Here's a link to the Nosler data page: Nosler Load Data Nosler, the world's finest bullets, ammunition . Mag. To comply with the new e-Privacy directive, we need to ask for your consent to set the cookies. The cases Answer: As the article said, I chose the heaviest Nosler AccuBond bullet available in factory ammunition. a way bigger PIA to shoot with regards to action size, mag length, and Cost of components. 0000004855 00000 n 0000045061 00000 n .330 Dakota (Using 225 GR Nosler Bullets) Warning! Mag. This means you have the option to read your magazine on most popular phones and tablets. Either a long-range bullet fired up close, or a close-range one used too far away can cause ineffective wounds and result in lost game. Already have 300WM and 338WM. eO_wk^./Jbkb9/LEx.v4;VjUkSM~TOeIV3 Its optimized for use with very long, sleek bullets, and pushes them significantly faster than the PRC does. Mag. (These figures, and all that follow, are NOT corrected to account for the different barrel lengths. AccuBond (.550 BC/.281 SD) at 3025 fps. The .338 Win. The successive increases in power are in the order I listed the cartridges above, except that the .340 Weatherby and .338 Remington Ultra Mag (RUM) are ballistic (but not interchangeable) twins. Today, I have to give that nod to the .300 PRC. lbs.) .330 Dakota factory loads are currently offered with 230 grain CT Fail Safe and 250 grain Swift A-Frame bullets. They provide more performance than most hunters will ever need. .338 magnums need controlled expansion bullets like this Nosler Partition for large, tough game at ranges less than 500 yards. One point for every 10 yards MPBR beyond 200 yards and one point deducted for every 10 yards less. I have considerable respect for the capabilities of this caliber. This put some cartridges at a disadvantage since only factory advertised velocities were used. 6.5mm Remington Magnum, .475 Nitro Express Number 2, .45 Smith & Wesson Schofield, .375 Weatherby Magnum, 7mm Dakota, .500 Smith & Wesson Special Magnum, .375 Holland & Holland Magnum, .340 Weatherby Magnum, .30-378 Weatherby, .350 Remington Magnum, .500 Jeffery, .257 Weatherby Magnum, .327 Federal Magnum, .460 Smith & Wesson, .330 Dakota. Yep, its specd with a plentiful head height, too. However, these rifles require handloading to realize full potential. However, five current commercial cartridges have surpassed the .338 Win. I have taken a considerable number of big game with .338s, including elk, moose, black bear, caribou, deer, pronghorn antelope, grizzly and Alaskan brown bears and have also used them in long-range target work at distances out to 2,000 yards. 0000041635 00000 n (L-R) .308 Win., .340 Weatherby, 9x19mm Luger. It pushed a 200- grain bullet around 2,200 fps. is: Using a lot more powder to get a little more velocity has a further cost in recoil and muzzle blast. Wolfe Publishing Company | 2180 Gulfstream Suite A | Prescott, AZ 86301. Mag. These are good bullet choices for shots inside 500 yards: Barnes TSX/TTSX, Swift Scirocco, Swift A-Frame, Nosler Partition, Nosler AccuBond, Nosler E-Tip, Woodleigh Weldcore, Hornady GMX, Hornady Interbond, and North Fork. Mag., .338 RUM, .338 Lapua Mag. Note the shoulder datum differences between the .26 and .28 compared to the .30 and .33. Also excuse me, I stated the bullets were the TTSX. The 33 Nosler is SAAMI approved and will be supported with ammunition and components from Nosler beginning Q1 of 2017. The muzzle blast of the .338-378 is also much greater, although I have no way of quantifying that. To better understand and appreciate the .338s potency at long distance on big game, I can recall an Alaskan hunter who gut-shot a large bull moose with a big-bore, bolt-action rifle at less than 100 yards, missed his second shot and then severely scope-cut his forehead with his third shot and was unable to shoot again. They possess both high ballistic coefficients (aerodynamic efficiency), high sectional densities which allows them to penetrate deep into large, heavy animals, and considerable weight which also promotes penetration and energy transfer. It is available with a one-turn Zero Stop or a two-turn without the Zero Stop. 0000084207 00000 n As an aside, custom rifle makers have been circumventing the head-height issue with the .300 Win. Do know these new bullets are a lot better. 0000051121 00000 n The .334 O.K.H. In a rather crowded field of excellent .338 magnum rifle cartridges, the .33 Nosler is outstanding. W. wasskeet Well-Known Member. Question: Why would Recoil even be considered in a .338 caliber? 0000034033 00000 n 0000039647 00000 n This isn't your grandpa's muzzleloading system. 0000025931 00000 n Available in different sizes and red dot ready, it'll fit your needs, whatever they are. These cartridges are also best when paired with the heaviest bullet weights. Developed for military snipers to bridge the gap between .300 Winchester Magnum and .50 BMG, at first glance, the .338 Lapua seems to define over kill in a hunting cartridge. rifle. Remington .338 RUM factory ammo starts at about $4 per cartridge. 0000030107 00000 n v610^aK7P?wk{doxUX*D7A&UPxa=@i K endstream endobj 58 0 obj <>>> endobj 59 0 obj <>/ExtGState<>/Font<>/ProcSet[/PDF/Text]/Shading<>>>/Rotate 0/Thumb 51 0 R/TrimBox[0.0 0.0 432.0 648.0]/Type/Page>> endobj 60 0 obj <> endobj 61 0 obj <> endobj 62 0 obj <>stream 0000047478 00000 n Thats not to say that the .300 Win. A 230 Berger at 3100 will rival the 28 Nosler ballistics with considerably more killing power for large game like Elk. If the .338 Win. Proprietary rounds My experience with a variety of .338 cartridges began in the 1970s, which in the decades since has included all the abovementioned cartridges, as well as several proprietary and wildcat variants. They are the LRX designed for the 338 Lapua, I understand this is an old thread, but want to reply anyway, Smarter Then The Tools Youre Working With. These .338 "super magnum" cartridges achieve marginally better ballistic performance than the .338 Winchester Magnum, but with a lot more sound, fury, reduced availability and greatly increased monetary cost. When taking game at longer distances, the .338 magnums boast considerable downrange energy that produce reliable results.
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