Cover me with the Precious Blood of Your Divine Son. They claim numerous miracles are occurring and special blessings are bestowed on all who come. . Wherefore servants are not bound to obey their masters, nor children their parents, in the question of contracting marriage or of remaining in the state of virginity or the like. Bishop Lennon is not able to state the reason that he warns Catholics to stay away from HLM. Such is the case with Holy Love. Amen. My second article (originally published 11/20/2009): Proclamation on Holy Love Ministries Will Test Hearts and Obedience. Bishop Lennon issued an admonishment because he could not forbid Catholics from going to HLM. While I was walking on the property not long ago I asked a priest from Nigera why so many priests from around the world are coming here. Trust in Him with a contrite, faithful and open heart. No need to write in Spanish but if you want to practice its OK. :o) I have lived in the US for a long timecurrently I am in Argentina for a whileI was received in the Church in the UK so my general Catholic sense is a bit English which is good. But it does not surprise me when you look back in history. I will fight to the death for my true Catholic Faith. There is an old adage in Scholastic(?) These are the facts and this is what in the world I am talking about.. Madame, diddling means only to fool with if you are some how attributing masturbation to my use of the word, it tells me where your mind is. That approval/disapproval belongs to the Bishop of the Diocese in which HLM is, in this case Bishop Lennon. and let us pray for all those affected by the shooting in Connecticut today. We have NOT fulfilled Our Ladys requests to honor her on the Five First Saturdays. If you are a fruit of Holy Love and are now slamming the Popes, I rest my point. "This virtue, more than all the others, depends on Holy Love and Holy Humility. I tell you again,I have backed up all the points you listed about HLM messages with sound and clear Catholic doctrine . It can get the faithful off track. So the issue is obedience to the Bishop. It doesnt matter what I may or may not want to point out from the decades of messages. By traditional theology, that very statement constitutes the condemnation spoken of by Mrs. Armstrong in her letter. What she meant was, any action, however small, united with Jesus and offered to His Father, has redemptive value. Furthermore, my point was that YOU ARE INCORRECT about the Bayside events. Fruits is more relative to the interior life of virtue, as St. Teresa of Avila teaches in her The Interior Castle (Sixth Mansion). The organization has been at odds with the Catholic Church almost from the start. In Marinos case, I later learned that he got involved in a worldwide movement built around Medjugorje and tried to use that connection to make Kettle River a major Marian shrine. Thanks for this information. I am obedient to God first and am fully aware of being discerning. Your discernment needs to focus on what your bishop is doingor more to the pointnot doing. Let us pray that the Lord grant them wisdom to truly know the difference. He was sucked into this apparition site and ministry. Even those who attend Mass do not really know the Faith. Catholic Exchange is a project of Sophia Institute Press. Find me one half truth, just one. Remember, Holy Love is an ecumenical place, not Catholic. Bishop Lennon has no right to prevent those who want to learn their Faith from attending Holy Love. Hmmm! We have two generations of unformed and misinformed Catholics due to the neglect, defiance, and disbelief of bishops in this country. Canonical Church language is very specific, and when a condemnation is issued it is an official canonical document with no ambiguity of language. ( I know you are anxious to find some error in what I am saying, but get a hold of yourself. Now, some-, the things commanded by a Superior are against God. In the first place, Kevin, the state of corruption in the Church makes it almost impossible for the true Faith to be allowed to be spoken. I am so sorry you feel the need to be insulting. We all know how that turned out. Alongside all the Catholic devotions and talk of love, messages brim with dire warnings that computer chips will control peoples minds in the future and certain constellations are now taking unforeseen paths. I know. In the same decree he did forbid any priests from saying Mass on HLM property. Frankly, unspecified serious concerns and an admonishment to cease gathering simply because a bishop of questionable integrity and his unnamed expert say so, without any specific reasons being given for such a directive, does not constitute authority that should be obeyed. Or, disappointment leads them to reject Church authority thinking that they are right and the Church is wrong. This happens when other legitimate actions done by the alleged suppressor are brought up in a negative way (example: Bishop Lennon closing parishes). Sister Adele cautioned the Bishop that he would be responsible for the souls lost due to the lack of proper religious instruction. But she obeyed the Bishops command. Come on folks. And no, I am not mocking this, that stuff about Jesus telling people to redeem themselves in his eyes is actually in one of the messages of MDM. Thank you again. I find this article sad. in favor of a humanistic gospel with no sense of the supernatural. The big argument against those who continue to attend HLM is that they are disobeying Bishop Lernnon. The devil can quote Scripture and encourage people to pray as it suits his larger purpose. Que Dios te bendiga. Did I name him in my question to you? He will also see how mixed up you are. The Church is very very slow to either affirm definitely or condemn definitely any apparition, knowing full well that they could be twarting the Holy Spirit. Thank you for this article on Holy Love. But it is NOT coming from God. The Bishop of the diocese has requested that no Masses be offered on the property of Holy Love and he has requested that the priests under his jurisdiction do not go there. These canons are as follows: ~~ This justifies and verifies the goodness of the place in his mind. Blind obedience is for slaves not for thinking people. Ha! When a bishop does not uphold the true Faith, ac cording to Deitrich von Hildebrand, he loses his authority to represent the Church, and instead represents his own novelty. He continues to explain that those Catholic who oppose heretical bishops are the true members of the Church. Jesus said to test the spirits, but not all are bad. HLM says it isnt a Catholic organization. They did not because they could not. Doctrinal fidelity as a mark of authenticity is sometimes an obvious sign, sometimes not so obvious. This was an administrative action, which does not take away from his authority (and his mission to preach, teach and sanctify) to issue a pronouncement on the authenticity of visions/apparitions. The ministry changed locations and names several times and Sweeney-Kyle even changed husbands, divorcing and then remarrying two years later. How dare you and shame on you! Therefore, a, Superior is not to be obeyed in all things. There is nothing in the 1983 Code of Canon Law that specifies such a process in these affairs (though the Code affects them). Most of the ones that I know now reject it. This can become a very large problem to some folks to visit these sites, and trust in them, and can cause them to question themselves, their faith, and their church. Thanks Kevin. He challenged my use of the word condemned in describing the local bishops assessment of Holy Love. We are sorry that the bishop has taken this position. ( I keep asking the following question but I never get an answer from the scoffers who write here: If your bishop tells you that the Holy Eucharist is only God during Mass, so disregard the Sacred Species otherwise, will you do so so that you can feel truly obedient?) Can you say that of many bishops now in this country? Or, disappointment leads them to reject Church authority thinking that they are right and the Church is wrong. And who would invent a message that the Blessed Mother would appear on a particular date and time? The Most Reverend Richard Lennon Bishop of Cleveland. What draws me to defend Holy Love Ministries, and which motivates me to write to you, is that I see there full, authentic Catholic doctrineand a depth presentation of that doctrinepromulgated there. Defense of Holy Love Ministries is defense of the Catholic Faith. At one point during the investigations, Bishop Melcher commanded Sister Adele to close the school and the Chapel, and bring him the keys to both. One of my former theology professors at Notre Dame also endorses the messages. But Holy Love's response urging the faithful to disregard their bishop's counsel is quite telling. Division comes from Satan himself. Heck, I didnt even say the rosary with all the other thousands gathered ther. Would to God we were hearing these treasured spiritual principles in our parishes today. Excellent, Elizabeth. Okay, Ill answer your question that you posed awhile ago. Cover me with the Precious Blood of Your Divine Son. In that video, attorney Charles Feliciano, diocesan lawyer for the Cleveland Diocese for many years, goes so far as to allude to murder not being beyond what this bishop and his minions would do. He has first hand experience of Bishop Lennons illegal and immoral practices and deeds. I did not know rcspiritualdirection I have casorosendi.com (various languages) and primeraluz.org (Spanish only) lately many of my articles are being published in Brazil for some reason, so the Portuguese section is likely to grow a bit. Explode if someone contradicts you.? We are not bound to follow an admonishment. the Bishop. Lennons condemnation is not unjust. As Catholics, we are to follow what they ask of us. You and those who are bashing the messages of HLM are not exhibiting to me common sense at all. I appreciate that, Elizabeth, and I ask God to bless you. I think you are proving the point. I begin to see much more clearly the pernicious vice that has heretofore arisen in this discussion. Dont be surprised if you hear that someday, will you? To commit Mortal sin, we enumerated those 3 things has to be present. The word condemned was not used but it is apparent that there are serious concerns regarding the authenticity of the apparitions, among other things. Weird. When God told Adam and Eve not to eat the apple, dont eat the apple, even if just an apple. and was not very well in many ways. Read the sections about primacy of the Faith and when disobedience to bishops is called for. Re: your reference to The Imitation of Christ. Guard me against all evil. There are genuine miracles from Holy Love, and Ive had very powerful miracles there, With assistance from very conservative priests AND an exorcist,, these things proved to be genuine and not diabolical. Disobedience is not heresy, yet HLM tries to get out from the obedience owed the Bishop of Cleveland to propagate its alleged messages. Albert Drexel to help you comprehend this idea. Whether or not you can find the source, it is a true a account. Bishops have upheld heresy. She was managing editor and co-author of Ascension Press bestsellingAmazing Graceseries. To be honest, I tried my best to fully experience the site (however, I was already in a sour mood due to lack of sleep). If I believed Bishop Lennon is a corrupt bishop I would have said so. That would be tantamount to making the Cross into a god. May we have the citation for that quote from St. Catherine of Siena please? On Holy Love Ministries. GODs revelations strengthen humility, obedience, patience and conformity to His Holy Will. Using the language that he did has nothing to do with modern times; it has to do with what is canonical limitations are. You might wish toreview the meaning of the these theological terms. Where Charity abidith there is Love let our Love for one another be as strong as our love of self! And, yes, Clevelands Bishop Lennon closed a number of churches and had to reverse some/all. 3221, if you do not see this, there is no purpose in further communicating with me on this matter. Proper procedures were disregarded And then Our Lady goes even further and warns them/scares them of bad things to come if they dont continue to come to Holy Love: If you choose not to listen, the future does not bode well for your country or for you yourselves., 3221 believes that St. @LizEst I could not go on the link to join the book club it doesnt work. Michael Rennier. We do not use condemn so much nowadays and we owe the change of language to Pope John XXIII. I am willing to bet neither can you. A sure sign of a demonically-inspired seer is their seeking self-profit, glory and power over GODs. But, it is good to dissect their techniques and arguments. He told me of local corruption of the priests and said, What else could we do? I pointed out that Jesus would certainly have his way with his Church, so I did not believe a true apparition would be forced out of the Church. Can you imagine St. Paul telling the people of Corinth that they must do X without the courtesy of explaining why. I've visited this site with my family and have experienced many graces as a result. Since its relatively close to where one of my sisters lives, I mentioned the place to her. My Mother had a set and lost them so i ordered them from Knock here in Ireland. Would our beautiful Blessed Mother ever lead us to disobey the bishop? The Devils revelations beget pride, presumption and disobedience to GODs Church on earth. I suffer for what comes to you. Ive studied and practiced the Holy Love apparitions for 25 years and can assure you they are authentic. I do not come for My welfare but for your own. It was the published messages from Marino that inspired our prayer group to form. Holy Love Ministries responded saying that Bishop Lennon's words were not to be heeded. They pray and love God. (meaning every wrong that has been done to you). This, my friends, is what he gets out of it: There will be a number of people who believed they were healed or their faith brought to life through Holy Love Ministries that, like a rebellious adolescents, will respond, We dont have to listen to the Church.. This is and has always been the teaching of the Catholic Church. No way. Would you still go to mass if the celebrant is a woman priest? No, only the Pope has the right to declare something infallibly worthy or not worthy of belief. Its interesting to read some of the defenders and their circular logic. No, it does not. The Bishop explicitly states HLMs claims to be not supernatural in origin. Now you prove to the contrary and Ill continue discussing with you on this point. look at luther and especially king henry and st thomas moore. As with David in Psalm 32, God convicts us so that we can experience forgiveness ( Psalm 32:3-5 ). I have seen that more than once with my own eyes, I have seen priests take parishioners on a long trip to visit that abomination. For in their minds, these statements are as real as the day is long. Remaining silent in the face of heresy is one way to be heretical. Thanks Glenn. The metaphor of the chambers of the heart are in no way contradictory to what is human and real. Finally, you assume that since God has never done before what He is doing at HLM, it is proof that he would not do it ever. Does he have serious concerns about the personal profits he garnered from the sale of those churches? You are so worried about HLM drawing people away from their Faith. Very interesting; Id like to visit it someday since its relatively close to me. I am wondering whether bishop Lennon is an orthodox bishop or not. If you want to go to a site that is true, go to Fatima or the approved sites , but try to really discern what is true and not true. I am All Three. I was taken aback by the rubbish that was in some of these messages. You are a clear writer: you line of questioning tells the whole world, clearly, that you are digging for dirtsome scandal to justify your disobedience. God does not act this way with His Church. Well we are in the middle of 2015 and there has been nothing. Some just cannot get their facts straight! I made my own choices about Holy Love and share with many people information and about the grounds of Holy Love. Now, unless you can prove Lennon is not doing this here, you have no grounds to say Lennon doesnt tell us his reasons, thus his Decree is unjust.. I am spreading the Rosary of the Unborn around the country because I believe in it. Assuredly, if there were lots, HLM would have posted them. Im glad the Vatican is taking an active role. This IS the teaching of the Catholic Church. If he himself is not addressing these issues, it would go a long way to explain his aversion to HLM. It did not. Holy Love Ministry - Heavenly Messages In 90 Languages - Translation . Unfortunately, those have cultish devotion to things like HLM tend to brook no logic. Saying something is not supernatural in origin is saying that something is not supernatural in origin. Now your church and country are in trouble and we are here to help and pray for all of you. Jesus sees this Mission as a support not a detriment to organized religion., Please be at peace in your decision to be a part of this Mission. What happens if one day your Bishop told his diocesan priests that they are forbidden to celebrate mass from now on? My life is stressful enough without stirring up such pots, I reasoned. The difference in wording is salient. I thought I read that the Bishop of Cleveland also closed about 50 churches? Albert Drexel, which supports the claims of the Holy Love personnel that they have the right to follow their conscience because they have not taken a vow of obedience to the Bishop. Bishop Lennon is not infallible and ruled in error on these apparitions. So he abandoned the responsibilities of his vocation, fatherhood, and took on these other responsibilities. I feel confident that your heart has hardened to any and all attempts by any of us here, or the Bishop, to common sense and obedience. No one at the Vatican has in any way accused Medjugorie followers of being disobedient even though they continued to follow Medjugorie despite Bishop Zanics disapproval of it. One woman credited her fathers conversion from a Sunday church grumbler to attending Mass and saying the rosary daily even two years after his visit to the site. I will pray for you also. I do not know him. Why is it that it is so offensive to you that persons believe in and follow Holy Love Ministries? If the bishop says dont, have enough respect for him to obey. Nor did the Vatican assume that Bishop Zanics discernment was correct simply because he was the local bishop. The rcspiritualdirection site was founded by Dan Burke, who works for EWTN and is executive editor of National Catholic Register EWTN newspaper. After the above comes specific rulings in 4 parts (conveniently numbered): 1) Lennon declares Sweeney-Kyles claims to be not supernatural in origin. You are very misinformed if you think that one needs to be under the local ordinary to share the Truth of God. I will say a prayer for you. Again, I present the Decree for all to read: No other citations are necessary. Some Catholics voted for Obama because their Bishop told them it was all right. It sought approval through official channels for several years, but instead, in 1999, the Catholic diocese issued a statement urging extreme caution. Bishop Richard Lennon, head of the Cleveland Catholic Diocese, has issued a decree to clergy and laity of the diocese that Holy Love Ministries of Lorain County is officially off limits. The term Holy Love refers to the messages and teachings of these particular messages, not to the Love of God, not to the teachings of the Church, not to the Catholic Faith in general. Initially, not all were ready to condemn Marino. In light of the above canons and the Christian obedience they speak of, whether it was a simple warning or explicit order forbidding people to go to HLM is irrelevant. Yes, I, too am saddened that Patti wrote this article. Mary Kochan has my contact information. We dont consecrated ourselves to the Cross. And by setting themselves against His church, visionaries and their followers who knowingly disobey a authoritative and binding judgement of their Bishop willfully separate themselves from the Catholic church. She told him that if it were a problem that she and her sisters kneel after Holy Communion, then they would leave the diocese. Those other bishops deserve our correction, for they undermine the authority of their brother bishop, who has spoken definitively. Theres another one out there, too, that some HDL devotees are gravitating to: Maria Divine Mercy or MDM. Those interested can read it on the Mystics of the Church website. and you are too kind Harry! Every Catholic already can be in the presence of God before the tabernacle at their church and even receive Him in Holy Communion. "If the soul accepts the grace of conversion and, with a repentant heart passes through the Doorway of Divine Mercy, he finds himself in the Immaculate Heart of the Virgin, therein to prosper in holiness." "The Sacred Heart of Jesus mourns the loss of those souls who, through the compromise of Truth, reject God's Mercy and return to the world." Perhaps 3221 is thinking of the letter he wrote concerning Holy Love a year or so prior that was indeed just a warning. Does it not seem a bit odd that Jesus would be speaking about what he calls the Angel Chip, the dark chip, that Satan is preparing and in the near future, we all will have inserted under the skin, and Satan will then be able to control our minds by it. The Bishops decree against the At Holy Love Ministries, it is reported that Jesus sometimes comes with Mary during her apparitions. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour. As the webmaster of 5 different Catholic websitesone being the Mystics of the Church website I have spent *many* years studying the lives of the mystics/saints/visionaries in the Catholic church, so I believe I can speak to this issue with at least some background and experience in what the Church teaches concerning obedience to the legitimate Church authority. if u believe whats going on in the middle east and especially the holy land is all about democracy, then i believe we are operating under and are in the age of THE OPERATION OF ERROR of the end of the age. I too have had wonderful experiences at Holy Love that have brought me so much closer to God, my church and my faith. Guess who turnd out to be right in the end? I dont think God will hold it against me if I dont. The treasure of Holy Love Ministries is that it is teaching the fullness of the Catholic Faith and the depth mystical theology that underpins it. You are presenting one of his objections as the conclusion (Therefore, a Superior is not to be obeyed in all things). Most of the messages are even similar to Medjugorje. Lots of praise from Jesus and the Blessed Mother is heaped on those who attend Holy Love as being the remnant faithful, the special ones, fighting the good fight against the wicked Church, priests and bishops in these dark times. Elizabeth thinks HLM is a Church, thereby giving evidence of her complete ignorance of the interior life of grace. if it the teaching of the Church, it is the teaching of the Church. Bayside IS condemned and WITH the backing of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. There are priests, bishops even Cardinals including nuns who promote abortion. As to the annulment, it is none of our business whether or not she got a declaration of nullity, a declaration of invalidity or whatever. In March 1992, the Duluth Diocese investigated, and ultimately advised Catholics to stay away. However, once the Church has condemned a site and declared it off limits to clergy and laity, its a different ball game. For there will arise false Christs and false prophets. Most of the people who attend Mass now are elderly. In the Summa, Aquinas explains that If the Faith is endangered a subject ought to rebuke his prelateeven publicly. I used to wonder why the devil would have a hand in false apparitions when they inspired so many faithful Catholics to increase their prayer life and devotion to God and the Blessed Mother. Satan will disguise himself as an angel of light-perhaps from scripture? Oh my. Most young people do not really understand the supernatural dimension of Catholicism. Of course Our Lady needs our prayers. However, once the Church has condemned a site and declared it off limits to clergy and laity, its a different ball game. Those messages have you all turning your backs on the Church in favor of a condemned, false apparition site! And, with lies, he means to convince others and strengthen their belief in HLM. Described her to me then was announced the message and what she was wearing. The burden of proof is upon you, not me. They pray and love God. Menu and widgets. It is not inconceivable to me that when tens of thousands of people gather in one place to praise God and pray the Rosary (like at Conyers, or other alleged sites) that perhaps God does indeed manifest Himself there in some greater way regardless of whether or not the visionary is authentically representing Him; and that therefore people will leave those places with some kind of sign, greater awareness, spiritual healing,etc.. We have a similar situation in your trouble with consecration to the Cross. Amen." Good points all. Evidently there is fuller need to elaborate further, Kevin. People are making excuses, ignoring abnormalities and rejecting Church teaching and authority. How can something be holy and good if it allows and even helps its people justify something so wrong. The message do not sound like St. Aquinas. It is a legal document. Why has God waited this long? I will offer my prayers at Mass tomorrow for you. The 6th chamber encompasses ALL CHAMBERS as it represents the Heart of God the Father. First of note concerns the structure of the Decree. Yes, they will say,We are being persecuted till the end. We hear the Church when we follow Her official pronouncements. This place teaches nothing but how to lead souls to salvation. Eternal rest grant unto them, O Lord, and let perpetual light shine upon them. The little known text you refer to is perhaps little known because it is nothing short of heresy. It is clear to me that you are sincerely searching for the truth, and that you in no way harbor contemptuous mockery in your heart toward those who have found spiritual strength and guidance at Holy Love Ministries. This is why Jesus says that our free will is the door to our souls. He is not bound by Church law or by your unimaginative assessment of what He would do. At that point, Holy Love Ministries took an ecumenical approach. Thomas Aquinas told them all on 11/17/09 (after Bishop Lennons Decree): The decree set forth by your bishop concerning participation in this Mission here was presented as though it carried with it the charge of blind obedience. Imitate this resignation by accepting trials.". In the end, the type of people who go to apparition sites are not necessarily nave or foolish. Nothing of such exists in any messages. Elsewhere, in these responses, I posted The Wanderers response which was something to the effect that The Wanderer is not indexed but they could not recall such a story so they were unable to confirm that information. I do say his decree is unjust. Keep your eyes and heart open! The error is in hearts that oppose the gospel and the graces which support it here.. Trueand why should anyone obey Peter either, since He denied Christ three times? You can find that citation from Catherine of Sienna in the first chapter of her Dialogues.
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